---
title: "[Interview]Kieran Mockford, MSBuild Program Manager - on MSBuild, TDD, the Microsoft build process and much more"
url: "https://osherove.com/blog/2005/3/28/interviewkieran-mockford-msbuild-program-manager-on-msbuild.md"
canonical: "https://osherove.com/blog/2005/3/28/interviewkieran-mockford-msbuild-program-manager-on-msbuild.html"
published: "2005-03-28T05:13:00"
updated: "2005-03-28T05:13:00"
tags: ["Agile Related", "Interview"]
author: "Roy Osherove"
description: "Another one for your listening pleasure :) Kieran Mockford- Program manager for MSBuild, Microsoft - Building MSBuild, Test Driven Development style (February 28, 2005) Length: 67 minutes. Language: English. Download…"
usage: "Licensed under CC BY 4.0 — reuse, quote and adapt with attribution (Roy Osherove, link to the original page)."
license: "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/"
---

# \[Interview\]Kieran Mockford, MSBuild Program Manager - on MSBuild, TDD, the Microsoft build process and much more

By Roy Osherove March 28, 2005 In [Agile Related](https://osherove.com/blog/category/agile-related), [Interview](https://osherove.com/blog/category/interview)

**Historical article** · Originally published March 28, 2005; technical details may be outdated.

Another one for your listening pleasure :)

**Kieran Mockford-  Program manager for MSBuild, Microsoft -**

**Building MSBuild, Test Driven Development style (February 28, 2005)**

Length: 67 minutes.

Language: English.

[Download](http://www.teamagile.com/mainpages/Interviews.html)

**Summary**

Roy Talks with  Kieran Mockford, the program manager for MSBuild, Microsoft's brand new build tool offering. Kieran spills the beans that MSBuild was developed using Test Driven Development methodologies with tools such as [NUnit](http://nunit.org/). Kieran tells about the various problems and solutions they encountered trying to learn TDD, then the talk moves to MSBuild and the need for "real" incremental build abilities and the Microsoft internal build process. It's a Fascinating look behind the scenes of Microsoft's internal tools for source control and continuous integration automation tools.

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